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EXCERPT FROM PARENTS LIST JANUARY 1998 (#3)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:59:44 +0000
Subject: another bf report from Reuters
Hi ladies,
Another report on breastfeeding benefits...
CHICAGO, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Children breast-fed longer do
better in school, with benefits that can be measured into
adolescence, according to a study published on Monday.
The report, from researchers at the Christchurch School of
Medicine in New Zealand, was based on a a look at more than
1,000 children born there in 1977 and followed through age 18.
Some of the children were breast-fed less than four months,
others four to seven months and some for eight months or more
while others were not breast-fed at all.
The study's authors found that the longer infants were
breast-fed, the higher they scored in evaluations.
"It is concluded that breast-feeding is associated with
small but detectable increases in child cognitive ability and
educational achievement," said the report in the January issue
of Pediatrics, the journal of the American Academy of
Pediatrics.
"These effects are pervasive, being reflected in a range of
measures including standardized tests, teacher ratings and
academic outcomes in high schools, and relatively long-lived,
extending throughout childhood into young adulthood," it
added.
The authors said the findings proved valid even after
accounting for the fact that breast-feeding mothers in the
study tended to be older, with above-average standards of
living, and did not smoke during pregnancy -- factors that
could indicate the children came from more intelligent families
in the first place.
Breast-feeding is believed to offer a number of benefits to
infants. The authors said some previous studies have suggested
that fatty acids in breast milk improve cognitive abilities in
children.
In another article published in the same journal,
researchers at the University of Bristol in England reported
that putting infants to sleep on their backs -- as is
recommended to avoid crib death -- had no lasting impact on
development.
They said a study of 10,000 children born in 1991 and 1992
uncovered some evidence of reduced motor and social skills and
diminished developmental scores at six months of age among back
sleepers; but they said this effect disappeared by the age of
18 months.
The pediatrics group has recommended since 1992 that
infants sleep on their backs to reduce the risk of sudden
infant death syndrome.
Rita Kusumadi
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:45:55 +0800
Subject: Morning Sickness
For those of you pregnant, did you or are you experiencing morning sickness?
I really admire those who are bf'g while pregnant. I had morning sickness
for both pregnancies from Week 7 or 8 until 4.5mths. I CANNOT imagine
having the strength or inspiration to bf during that period! I thought it
was bad enough when I was 12weeks pregnant with Daniel last year but HAD to
accompany my mother to the USA [to bring her to my brother's place to help
with their baby].
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:52:34 +0800
Subject: Confinement Recipes
For those interested, esp Lai Chang. I've put out some of my "tested"
recipes for confinement on my Pregnancy/Childbirth WebPage:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5820/pregnancy.html
If you want an easier to remember URL, use:
http://www.wan.net/~sam
and follow the links to my Parenting Page, then Pregnancy Pages.
Those recipes are "tested" b/c when I had Daniel, I basically planned my own
confinement foods. I've adapted some of them to the way I like it done.
Before I delivered, what I did was write out a Table of Dishes under
different headings of eg. Fish, Beef, Chicken, Vegetable, Soups. Then under
those different headings, I had recipes. I then told my maid to choose 1
meat, 1 vege, & 1 soup to cook. She managed to follow recipes fairly well
despite having been in Singapore only 1 mth then.
In the end, however, I was going through the fridge every day, and then
writing out that day's menu for her to follow! So much for my plan!
Everything turned out quite fine anyway!
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Subject: RE: new member with questions
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:40:30 +0800
>Hi all! I am glad to have found this list from the misc.kids.pregnancy
>newsgroup. I find the discussion here more relevant since I'm no
>longer in the US. I am expecting my first baby (a boy) at end of Feb.
>We came from the US to Singapore in March 96 because my parents-in-law
>are in Malaysia.
>
>I have a few questions:
>1) How many are currently on this list? Is there a profile of all the
>members? Are there any archives?
>2) Anyone using/have used cloth diapers? Any recommendations on
>brands?
>3) I recently switched hospitals to Mt. Elizabeth. Anybody else
>deliver there, if so what are your experiences? Has anyone delivered
>without medication? If so, how difficult was it?
>4) I notice a lot of discussion on breastfeeding here. It seems like
>although most mothers breastfeed in Singapore, the avg length of time
>is only a couple of months. I also don't see any mothers breastfeeding
>in public. Is there a law against that, or is it just people prefer
>not to?
>
>OK, that's about all for now. Happy New Year!
>
>Flora
>----------
>Hello, everyone! We have a New Member!
>
>Welcome to Flora! Hope your pregnancy has been going well? Do you know
>if
>baby is a boy/girl? You've been in Singapore 2 yrs? Where were you
>from
>originally? Let us know more about yourself!
>
>To post, just reply to "parents@lserv.stl.com".
>
>Cheers!
>
>sam
>list co-ordinator
>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:39:53 +0800
Subject: Colostrum
I got this from one of my email friends. It's about how it used to be
thought that the 1st milk - colostrum is HARMFUL!
Thought you all might find it interesting.
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs
=============================================================================
>While I've read a number of breastfeeding and child-care books from
>earlier times, the info about colostrum being thought harmful was from
>"Breasts, Bottles and Babies: A History of Infant Feeding" by Fildes,
>published by Edinburgh University Press, 1986.
>
>(That book I mentioned from the early 60's [actually late '50's] was
>really fascinating. In general most of the information is good [they
>advise against bottles in the early days, encourage ... if not demand
>feeding, at least non-clock based feeding], the author writes that
>colostrum is simply a by-product of breast development, and of no use to
>the baby. While it has to be gotten out of the way so the milk can come
>in, 'there is no reason the baby should be the scavenger.' He advises
>expressing colostrum regularly during the last weeks of pregnancy so that,
>after baby is born the colostrum will all be gone and the milk will come
>right in. If there is still some colostrum after birth, ideally it should
>be expressed and discarded. It won't do baby any harm to go hungry for 2-3
>days, until the milk comes in. If mother INSISTS on nursing while there is
>still colostrum, she should expect baby to spit all of it up.)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:41:45 +0800
Subject: Re: new member with questions
Hi Flora!!
Welcome!! How do u find Singapore?
> >1) How many are currently on this list? Is there a profile of all the
> >members? Are there any archives?
Sam might have a better idea on this. For me, I moved to Singapore
(from Hong Kong) a year ago because DH was transferred here for a term
of three years.
I got pregnant here and was now the mother of an active three-month-old
little boy. I'd endometriosis, fibroids and had miscarried once so this
child is a real blessing.
Have been breastfeeding all along though with initial difficulties. Sam
haave helped a lot in supporting my decision in BFing, I could not
possibly have done that long wothout her.
> >3) I recently switched hospitals to Mt. Elizabeth. Anybody else
> >deliver there, if so what are your experiences? Has anyone delivered
> >without medication? If so, how difficult was it?
I delivered at the National University Hospital and the hwole experience
is bravo. I'd been hospitalized in a private hospital (and the most
expensive) in Hong Kong and I can definitely tell the difference. One
of my SG friend had delivered there and said it was equally good.
I tried to do without medication BUT I'm a complete failure. Pain is a
mind thing. I think the breathing exercise helps a lot!!!!!! Keep your
options opened on pain reliefs like epidural and laugh gas. I came
across a Western lady when I gave birth and she used accupuncture for
pain relief. She said it's good but I had no idea where I could find
one in SG.
> >4) I notice a lot of discussion on breastfeeding here. It seems like
> >although most mothers breastfeed in Singapore, the avg length of time
> >is only a couple of months. I also don't see any mothers breastfeeding
> >in public. Is there a law against that, or is it just people prefer
> >not to?
Hee Hee!! Ask Sam!! :-) I'd breastfed in restaurants, in
shops....etc. although I'd prefer to breast feed in the "less crowded"
public premises. There are nursing rooms in Takashimaya (the best),
Isetan (Scotts Road) and Daimaru. I have not seen any moms BFing in
public, guess they are very skillful in covering themselves up!!
Enjoy your Pregnancy!!
Cheers
--
Jacqueline
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:39:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Sarah's Photo Album
Dear Sam
So sorry about this funny misunderstanding. :-p
Since I am still new in Singapore (only 9 mths) I thought Duplo
Creations is a tourist attraction like the Lego Land in Europe. If there
was such a place I must bring Casey there, because he loves Lego systems
too. He has Duplo Primo & one small set of Duplo dinosaurs. You are
right about him that he likes to throw them around and make noises.
Besides, he also brings the rattle block to his ear to listen & kisses
the little boy when I bring it to his face. However, he hasn't played
the dinosaur set yet as he is quite reserved about new things. I wonder
if other babies have this kind of behavior around this age.
Thank you very much to your kind offer, but the photos are quite
out-of-date, you know, babies grow so fast. May be when I have the
recent photos I'll ask for your favour : )
Christina
mom to Casey, 31Jan97
Subject: Re: Morning Sickness
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 08:05:34 GMT
On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:45:55 +0800, sam wrote:
>For those of you pregnant, did you or are you experiencing morning sickness?
Guess I'm one of those fortunate one that did not hv any
morning sickness. In fact she did not give me any sign until
I saw a tiny tummy (still think it was my over indulgence in
food when I went to Ipoh - 6 meals a day). By then I was
already 16 wks through.
>I really admire those who are bf'g while pregnant. I had morning sickness
>for both pregnancies from Week 7 or 8 until 4.5mths. I CANNOT imagine
>having the strength or inspiration to bf during that period! I thought it
>was bad enough when I was 12weeks pregnant with Daniel last year but HAD to
>accompany my mother to the USA [to bring her to my brother's place to help
>with their baby].
Never hv much trouble holidaying with her in W.Autralia when
I'm 28 wks except that I can't go scuba diving. She only
make trouble for me when the weather is hot (and still
does).
I only got very tired towards the end of my pregnancy. Also
very hard to breath and sleep. Maybe bcos she's a girl -
heard that we carry girls higher so press against the lungs.
(sorry not sure of exact terms to use).
Not sure if I'll get to tandem feed since not expecting a
2nd one soon. But if possible will persist at least with 2
fdings per day.
Guess will hv to wait for more Lai Chang progress reports.
Yee Ling
Mum to Sheralyn (5 mo today!)
Subject: Re: new member with questions
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:25:44 +0800
Hi Flora
Welcome to the gang !! :-)
I don't use cloth diapers ( too lazy ) but I think that if you have the
time, it is very good since you save alot of money and the environment too.
I have come across a pretty good website for moms who use cloth diapers
though and here is the URL
http://members.octonline.com/born2luv/
I delivered my second and third babies without medication. It was painful,
but the midwife kept telling me " coming soon, coming soon, no need to use
painkillers " so I gave birth without the painkillers. My first baby was
delivered using painkillers though. I took the lot, even the epidural. But
I suffered from severe back ache later on and nausea. Also, my baby was
born a little sleepy. But with the other two, I found them to be so alert
when they were born. Midwife says its because no painkillers were used.
They were born, and started looking around straightaway !!!
I don't think there is a law against bf in public and I don't think that
many moms bf in Singapore either. Most moms are quite shy to bf in public.
I was too, but not anymore !!! Now I bf my daughter anywhere and anytime
she wants a feed.
Luv
Tracey and her three D's
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:05:41 +0800
Subject: Re: new member with questions
At 03:25 AM 1/6/98 +0800, you wrote:
>I don't think there is a law against bf in public and I don't think that
>many moms bf in Singapore either. Most moms are quite shy to bf in public.
>I was too, but not anymore !!! Now I bf my daughter anywhere and anytime
>she wants a feed.
>Luv
>Tracey and her three D's
Hi, I'm just wondering...Tracey. Before, when you went to church, where did
you bf then? If you didn't do it in public, I mean.
Just last Sunday, I was bf'g Daniel at the concourse. The priest walked by,
started going down the stairs, then thought he saw something amiss, I think.
He turned around, looked at me - again, and then finally went away!
hmm....what do you think he was up to? You think he was going to ask if he
could offer me a private room? ;)
I still wish they had Parents & Baby rooms in church! ;( Sarah goes to AMK
Methodist for her Nursery class. They have such a room there!
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:59:49 +0800
Subject: RE: new member with questions
At 01:40 PM 1/6/98 +0800, Flora wrote:
<>
Hmm...my ILs are in M'sia too - KL.
>>I have a few questions:
>>1) How many are currently on this list?
Just under 20, I think. Haven't asked for a listing in quite a while.
<>
No, there isn't. But if you hang around long enough, you might just
get to know most of us!
Does anyone else want a listing of the members? I could do one up
with Names, how many kids, - that's all. No addresses.
<< Are there any archives?>>
Only a small portion. It was done manually so I didn't continue
after I got a few to put as "sample" on our Website
[http://members.tripod.com/~parentslist]. Go to the website to check
out those few old compilations.
2) Anyone using/have used cloth diapers? Any recommendations on
>>brands?
Sorry. Can't help you with that one. I found that my exclusively
bf babies had such explosive poops that it wasn't much of a point!
After using cloth diapers with Sarah for 1 mth and seeing how
difficult it was to wash out that mustard-coloured stains, I gave up
and used disposables. Can get some cheap ones around here, really.
I'd agree it's not too environmentally-friendly but hey, I'm a Busy Mom!
You might feel that $$$$ is flying away in the 1st month with
disposables. Both Sarah & Daniel used soooooo many in the 1st mth! I
remember Daniel poopping like 3 or 4 times in an hour! But then after a
mth or 2, everything settles down. I think he only uses like 3 or 4 at
most everyday now.
>>3) I recently switched hospitals to Mt. Elizabeth. Anybody else
>>deliver there, if so what are your experiences? Has anyone delivered
>>without medication? If so, how difficult was it?
Never used Mt E, but I used Eastshore with Sarah. That's in the
same group. It's not as baby-friendly as Mt Alvernia where I
delivered Daniel though. Delivered with only the Entonox Gas. The
1st time I found the pain quite terrible. 2nd time around very
manageable altho' pain still extreme - maybe more experienced.
Luckily both times I delivered fairly quickly in 3 hrs & 2 hrs
respectively. Only intense pain in the last 1/2 hr, I think.
>>4) I notice a lot of discussion on breastfeeding here. It seems like
>>although most mothers breastfeed in Singapore, the avg length of time
>>is only a couple of months.
Hmm...if I meet people who bf "a couple of months", I think that's
already very good! Most say they will bf - for a few weeks or even up
to 1 mth. That's it! Some will bf until 2 mths when they need to go
back to work.
Most stop bf'g b/c they say they need to go back to work. Few
realise that with some committment, they CAN bf & work.
Well, that's one reason WHY we set up this group. To provide
support where there's little. We're here everyday of the week,
anytime of the day!
<>
There is NO LAW in Singapore about bf in public !!! ;)
And yes, there ARE mothers bf'g in public - seen by my very own
eyes. I'm too "shy" to print out that list of all the places I've
seen already. ;)
A note : as long as you don't feel unconscious about it, it will be
ok. This comes with practice anyway. If you're out shopping, you
can use the "mother & baby" rooms. Or you can just simply learn to
do it discretely.
Read up my Singapore BF page on tips & hints:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5820/breastfeeding.html
Cheers!
Sam
Subject: Re: new member with questions
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 07:40:56 GMT
On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:40:30 +0800, flora wrote:
>>2) Anyone using/have used cloth diapers? Any recommendations on
>>brands?
Buy the Johnsons & Johnsons 5-star. I think 10 pcs for ~
$25/-. Also buy the linen abt $10/- for 100 pcs.
>>3) I recently switched hospitals to Mt. Elizabeth. Anybody else
>>deliver there, if so what are your experiences? Has anyone delivered
>>without medication? If so, how difficult was it?
Only went there to visit friends and been to one of the
class where they teach you how to bath the baby. At least
saw a life demo. (KKWCH uses dummy to teach) but the baby
cried (got scared) - my friend insisted on not letting her
baby be the "sacrifice". Can't say much abt their bfing
advice. My friend never got any, only her friends who hv bf
taught her how to latch on.
I never take any medication for my delivery (afraid of any
effects on the baby). They kept asking me to take epidural
but I refused (heard that could hv after effects if not
adminster properly into spine). They gave me the gas mask
where I use it when in pain, did relive my pain until the
time for me to deliver (don't know the baby wants out, only
felt as if want to pass motion, also pain period is nearer).
For me the labour pain only lasted 3 hours. Before that my
water bag broke but no pain, was able to lie down in the
delivery suite eating and reading. The midwives were
surprised that I was so relaxed, maybe it helping my
controlling of my breathing - whenever I felt any pain, I do
a deep breathing.
An advice is for first time mummies to take up the antenatal
classes. I never had any, just do some reading up. Luckily
my scuba diving training taught me how to control my
breathing. However I had a hard time in pushing out the
baby. It lasted close to an hour with her head just
appearing but the midwife advice a forceps delivery. Painful
but bearable.
I'll still opt for a natural birth the next time round.
However this time I'll immediately bf the baby.
>>4) I notice a lot of discussion on breastfeeding here. It seems like
>>although most mothers breastfeed in Singapore, the avg length of time
>>is only a couple of months. I also don't see any mothers breastfeeding
>>in public. Is there a law against that, or is it just people prefer
>>not to?
Most mothers do bf their babies here but drop out after 2
mths when they return to work. Also most MILs here do not
support bfing. They get mad that we're not following the
confiinement tradition:
(1) not bathing for first 2 wks (I hv towel bath for
compromise), only special herbal bath for the next 20 days
(2) eating lots of ginger & drinking DOM (a big NO-NO for
bfing)
(3) not drinking plain water (belief that plain water makes
yr face fluffy, must hv ginger to drive away wind)
(4) not hving the fan/wind blowing at u
(5) don't touch water (glad that I don't hv to do dishes for
1 whole mth.
(6) ...
I guess that bfing info is not provided early to the parents
& grandparents. Never heard of BMSG until I delivered. My DH
only support bfing bcos it makes the baby intelligent,
provide comfort. He doesn't believes in exclusively bfing.
He is now pressing me to give cereals to Sherlayn so that
she'll not wake up in the middle of the nite to which I
strongly opposed, luckily my MIL is not in flavour of that
either. They also believe the bm is not filling, the baby
needs bm every 2 hrs as opposed to fm (3 hrs) so must
supplement everyday.
I think we asians are conservatives. No way are we going to
bare ourselves in public. There's a construction site just
opposite our flat and my DH insists on closing the curtains
when I bf. However there's nothing they can see (they're
across the street at different level and the baby is
covering me). Still...
Yee Ling
Mum to Sheralyn (5 mos today!)
Subject: Re: new member with questions
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:15:43 +0800
> Hi, I'm just wondering...Tracey. Before, when you went to church, where
did
> you bf then? If you didn't do it in public, I mean.
Hi Sam
The Church of the Risen Christ, which I attend, has two storeys. If I
attend the 9 am mass, only the first storey is occupied. So I would go up
to the side of the second storey and feed her then. Well at least it was
quiet and nobody ever goes there during that time. The first time I had to
bf her, I didn't think of going there, and went to the toilet. But the
sound of the flush and probably the smell of the toilet turned her ( and me
) off.
You know the thing I find the oddest Sam ? Bf is encouraged when you attend
the Marriage Prep Course, and yet, there are no churches that I know off
that actually have facilities for moms who need to bf.
Have u ever bf Daniel while mass was going on ?
Just last Sunday, William jokingly suggested I bf her in the confessional
room. Haha can you imagine if someone decided to come in and confess their
sins ? :-))
Just me
Tracey and the 3 D's
Subject: Re: Morning Sickness
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:27:49 +0800
Sam wrote:
> For those of you pregnant, did you or are you experiencing morning
sickness?
> I really admire those who are bf'g while pregnant.
No, I didn't and don't have morning sickness. At times I gag a bit when
brushing my teeth, especially if my stomach is really growling with hunger,
but nothing that can be called morning sickness. And that's why I needed
to see a doctor to confirm both pregnancies before DH would believe me.
Now that I'm one of those bf'g while pregnant, I really find it easier to
offer the breast than to run around trying to keep a 2-year-old
entertained. In any case, given Vivi's wilfulness, I can't even begin to
imagine surviving any weaning attempt.
The only issue I have is the nipple soreness. But hey, if I've survived
childbirth and all the early bf'ing pains with a newborn, I can psyche
myself to survive this too. ;)
Lai Chang
Mommy to Vivi (2.5yo)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:25:21 +0800
Subject: BF in Public (Re: new member with questions)
At 07:15 AM 1/6/98 +0800, Tracey wrote:
>You know the thing I find the oddest Sam ? Bf is encouraged when you attend
>the Marriage Prep Course, and yet, there are no churches that I know off
>that actually have facilities for moms who need to bf.
There's where I got one of my BEST info on BF - the MPC, I mean.
Have you read my BF story?
>Have u ever bf Daniel while mass was going on ?
Yes. Outside the sanctuary - at the concourse. That's usually
where the parents bring all their noisy kids. I've lately gotten to
like sitting near one end of the hall (in the sanctuary) b/c Daniel
can walk around there without being obvious. He also likes to
climb up the stairs to the choir. One Sunday, one of the wardens
told Nick to try to restrain Daniel from doing that - b/c the choir
members complained about that! Why, I wonder? Daniel's soooo cute
that he distracts them from their singing? It's an "Old peoples'"
choir, so they're not that good anyway. ;)
>Just last Sunday, William jokingly suggested I bf her in the confessional
>room. Haha can you imagine if someone decided to come in and confess their
>sins ? :-))
Actually when I told you about the priest looking at me, I thought
he WAS going to suggest I go into the confessional room to bf! ;)
So funny to hear something along that strain from you!
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Subject: Re: new member with questions
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:20:59 +0800
Welcome Flora! Most of your questions have been answered by the other
mothers, but here's my 2 cents' addition:
> >2) Anyone using/have used cloth diapers? Any recommendations on
> >brands?
When Vivi was born, we tried cloth for 2 days and gave up. She was pooping
every meal (i.e. every 1 to 2 hours) and there was no way anyone could have
washed that number of soiled diapers daily and keep sane!
We tried again when she grew older and her pooping frequency stabilized to
not more than 2 or 3 times a day, with more success. We used Johnson &
Johnson 5-star diapers, the kind that you have to fold. We could tell Vivi
loved the cloth, because when we put her in disposables for going out, she
kept tugging at her diaper. We did buy and try a few prefolded terry cloth
diapers, but they were so thick and took so long to dry even under a good
sun, that we gave them up after one round of washing.
> >3) I recently switched hospitals to Mt. Elizabeth. Anybody else
> >deliver there, if so what are your experiences? Has anyone delivered
> >without medication? If so, how difficult was it?
I can't tell you about Mt Elizabeth, but I delivered without medication, if
you discount the gas mask which I used in the last 2 hours or so when the
pain got really intense. The gas did nothing for the pain but helped my
muscles to relax. I had quite a short labour, no more than 5 hours from
the time I reached the hospital to the time the baby came out, so that
could be one reason it was manageable without any pain medication. What I
liked was being alert and mobile after the birth. Also, I didn't need any
of the pain-killers they offered for the recovery (I had an episiotomy),
possibly because my body had been numbed to normal pain after the pain of
childbirth ;), and so I had no worries about bf'ing my baby.
> >4) I notice a lot of discussion on breastfeeding here. It seems like
> >although most mothers breastfeed in Singapore, the avg length of time
> >is only a couple of months. I also don't see any mothers breastfeeding
> >in public. Is there a law against that, or is it just people prefer
> >not to?
Most mothers start out at least intending to partially bf, but most give up
before 6 weeks. Still, the situation today is much better than 2.5 years
ago when I gave birth to Vivi, so there's hope yet for Singapore. Maybe by
the time my second baby is 2.5, the average Singaporean won't freak out at
my bf'ing a 2.5-year-old like they do today. ;)
There is no law for or against public bf'ing, but most Asians are shy by
nature. I didn't gather enough courage to bf in public until Vivi was
about 3 or 4 months old. Since then, I've bf'ed just about everywhere and
never got any negative remarks or stares. I also didn't see any other
mothers bf'ing in public until recently at the zoo, but I guess most of the
passersby who walked past me bf'ing didn't see me bf'ing either. I didn't
know that mother at the zoo was bf'ing until I'd sat down directly opposite
her for more than 5 minutes. Even then, I needed a second look to be sure
she was bf''ing as she was fully covered, and that is with my own bf'ing
experience. I doubt the other people in that room knew.
Lai Chang
Mommy to Vivi (2.5yo)
Hello Flora,
Welcome to the group.
-----Original Message-----
From: parents@lserv.stl.com
To: parents@lserv.stl.com
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: new member with questions
>Hi Flora!!
>
>Welcome!! How do u find Singapore?
>
>> >1) How many are currently on this list? Is there a profile of all the
>> >members? Are there any archives?
>
>Sam might have a better idea on this. For me, I moved to Singapore
>(from Hong Kong) a year ago because DH was transferred here for a term
>of three years.
>
>I got pregnant here and was now the mother of an active three-month-old
>little boy. I'd endometriosis, fibroids and had miscarried once so this
>child is a real blessing.
>
>Have been breastfeeding all along though with initial difficulties. Sam
>haave helped a lot in supporting my decision in BFing, I could not
>possibly have done that long wothout her.
>
>> >3) I recently switched hospitals to Mt. Elizabeth. Anybody else
>> >deliver there, if so what are your experiences? Has anyone delivered
>> >without medication? If so, how difficult was it?
>
>I delivered at the National University Hospital and the hwole experience
>is bravo. I'd been hospitalized in a private hospital (and the most
>expensive) in Hong Kong and I can definitely tell the difference. One
>of my SG friend had delivered there and said it was equally good.
>
>I tried to do without medication BUT I'm a complete failure. Pain is a
>mind thing. I think the breathing exercise helps a lot!!!!!! Keep your
>options opened on pain reliefs like epidural and laugh gas. I came
>across a Western lady when I gave birth and she used accupuncture for
>pain relief. She said it's good but I had no idea where I could find
>one in SG.
>
>> >4) I notice a lot of discussion on breastfeeding here. It seems like
>> >although most mothers breastfeed in Singapore, the avg length of time
>> >is only a couple of months. I also don't see any mothers breastfeeding
>> >in public. Is there a law against that, or is it just people prefer
>> >not to?
>
>Hee Hee!! Ask Sam!! :-) I'd breastfed in restaurants, in
>shops....etc. although I'd prefer to breast feed in the "less crowded"
>public premises. There are nursing rooms in Takashimaya (the best),
>Isetan (Scotts Road) and Daimaru. I have not seen any moms BFing in
>public, guess they are very skillful in covering themselves up!!
>
>Enjoy your Pregnancy!!
>
>Cheers
>
>--
>Jacqueline
>check out our web site at
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3608
At 10:20 PM 1/6/98 +0800, Lai Chang wrote:
> I also didn't see any other
>mothers bf'ing in public until recently at the zoo, but I guess most of the
>passersby who walked past me bf'ing didn't see me bf'ing either.
Hey! Next time you go to the zoo, call me! I live so nearby. ;) And I
think Sarah would love the companions. We go rather often.
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Subject: Re: Fw: new member with questions
At 10:30 PM 1/6/98 +0800, Jacqueline wrote:
I'd breastfed in restaurants, in
>>shops....etc. although I'd prefer to breast feed in the "less crowded"
>>public premises. There are nursing rooms in Takashimaya (the best),
>>Isetan (Scotts Road) and Daimaru.
I have a list of these rooms on my bf page under "discrete bf" or
public bf, not sure which.
<< I have not seen any moms BFing in public, guess they are very skillful
in covering themselves up!!>>
To bf in public, it's good to be wearing a nursing bra - one that's
easy to do up & undo the cup for easier access.
Wear separates - that's my favourite nursing attire. Lift up the
top from the bottom to bf. That will be quite discrete.
Did you see the pic of me bf'g Daniel? But then I'm cheating a
little. I was wearing a nursing top. I really took a picture of
that so that I could email it to the lady (who sewed it up for me)
to see.
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
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