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EXCERPT FROM PARENTS LIST JANUARY 1998 (#4)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:06 +0000
Subject: Labour
Compared to your birth labour stories, mine sounds like a labour straight from
hell.
I had epidural (ok, I'm a chicken as far as pain is concerned). Kieran who was
almost 4 kg at birth was stuck in the birth canal for close to an hour until he
was pulled out using forceps. You should have seen the "war marks" on his face
because of the forceps.
To top it all off, after Kieran came out, I had pph (post partum hammerrhage
(sp??)). I lost so much blood that I drifted in and out of consciousness and at
one point, they couldn't find my blood pressure. My husband who was there was
almost freaking out :-) I had 2 pints of blood for transfusion and was knocked
out for almost 24 hours.
As for Kieran, he survived the whole ordeal much better than me. Despite the
epidural, he wasn't sleepy.
The bad news for me is that my gynae said that the pph is likely to happen
again for this second birth.
Enough moaning for now...
Rita
Subject: RE: new member with questions
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:47:20 +0800
Thanks for all the responses! It's great that this list is so active.
About the breathing exercises, I took an antenatal class where they
taught various breathing techniques for different stages of labor
(Lamaze), but I don't think it will be too useful for me. I have read
the book Natural Childbirth the Bradley Way, where they recommend simple
abdominal breathing, which I think is more helpful (and easier to
remember at least). I really wanted to take a Bradley class, but I
couldn't find any in Singapore, so I settled for the book instead. The
relaxation and pushing exercises I learned in the class were good
though.
Jacqueline, did NUH charge extra for foreigners? If you're PR then
ignore the question. That was the reason I switched from government to
a private hospital.
Yee Ling, it sound like you had an easy labor at only 3 hours! Since
you had forceps delivery I assume they did an episiotomy. Actually, are
episiotomies standard procedure in the hospitals here?
Tracey, it's encouraging to hear you delivered your last two without
medication. I will also try, but I'll keep my options open. Since your
babies were so alert, were you able to bf them right away? I hear it's
good for expeling the placenta.
Sam, I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be interested in a members
list. Nothing detailed, just name, e-mail, and kids. About cloth vs
disposables, do your kids have any problems with diaper rashes with
using either? You're lucky about your quick delivery! About bf &
working, which pump works best for you? I read good things about the
PIS, and also about the ISIS (even though it's manual).
Lai Chang, I'll try the J &J diapers, which Yee Ling also recommended, &
see how it goes. I also mail ordered a few samples from the US, which
are quite nice, but maybe too thick for Singapore. I read somewhere
that disposables should be used for the first 3 days or so until the
meconium (sp?) goes away. Wow, you're another one in the group with an
easy labor! It's quite good you can bf Vivi for so long. When I took a
bf class, the bf advisor said that she bf for a long time, which was 9
mo. and I remember thinking, that's actually not so long (but maybe for
Singapore it is).
Jocelyn, thanks for the input on Mt. E. Just curious why your first
preference is Gleneagles, are the facilities newer there?
Flora
Subject: Fw: new member with questions
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:22:04 +0800
Hi again Flora,
Well, you guessed right about Gleneagles. The facilities are newer and most
of my friends who delivered there had a pleasant experience with the
exception of one who said that the nurses were not pro bfg. I guess this
sometimes depends on the type of nurses you may get on duty at that time.
Everyone has their own preferences I suppose.
Rgds,
Jocelyn
Subject: Re: new member with questions
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:15:26 +0800
> Tracey, it's encouraging to hear you delivered your last two without
> medication. I will also try, but I'll keep my options open. Since your
> babies were so alert, were you able to bf them right away? I hear it's
> good for expeling the placenta.
Yes I bf immediately after birth. Even the first one actually. The midwife
put the baby next to me and that made it easier to bf the baby.
I gave birth at SGH for my first baby and at KKWCH for my other two babies.
I found the nurses friendly and very pro bf. They encouraged bf from the
start and were patient and willing to teach me. They discouraged bottle
feeding or supplementary bottles since I wanted to bf my baby totally. Only
the first night, the baby was given a supplementary bottle, but fed from a
cup. So that bf would be easier since the baby wouldn't get used to a
rubber nipple.
Another good thing was that I only had to stay at the hospital for 24 hours
and during that time, baby was with me almost all the time. :-)
Luv
Tracey and the 3 lil D's
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:10:15 +0800
Subject: Re: new member with questions
Hi Flora!!
> Jacqueline, did NUH charge extra for foreigners? If you're PR then
> ignore the question. That was the reason I switched from government to
> a private hospital.
Yes, they charged a bit higher for foreigners. The most expensive
package which is S$4,300 ( that's the charge for foreigners) includes
the following:-
standard pre-natal checks by consultants;
ob's delivery charges (consultant);
first ob scan and post-natal check;
accomodation (single room- 2 days for normal assisted deliveries and 5
days for c-section) and daily treatment;
one time use of operating theatre;
newborn's first hepetitis B and BcG vaccination;
1st screening by pedi; and
G6PD test and thyroid screening for newborn.
This is also the package that I opt for. My ob is from Hong KOng and he
is the best ob I've ever met but he'll be heading for a Cambridge
genetic counselling course for 2 years. Nonetheless, there are lots of
good consultants in NUH. Let me know if u need to book for an
appointment.
The good thing about NUH is that it's affiliated with the Medical School
of the national univeristy here and resources are plentiful. The nurses
are well-equipped with BF knowledge and are ready to help.
> Actually, are
> episiotomies standard procedure in the hospitals here?
For my ob, yes.
Email me if u need further info!! :-)
Jacqueline
check out our web site at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3608
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:34:45 +0800
Subject: RE: new member with questions
At 10:47 AM 1/7/98 +0800, Flora Tsai wrote:
>I really wanted to take a Bradley class, but I
>couldn't find any in Singapore, so I settled for the book instead. The
>relaxation and pushing exercises I learned in the class were good
>though.
Maybe you can call up Childbirth Education & Parentcraft to ask
about their classes. They also have a Doula Service (to prepare &
help you at the birth?). Call 7361636 / 7361637 or Email at
ankes@pacific.net.sg.
But in the end, I think nothing really prepares you for the REAL thing!
>Sam, I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be interested in a members
>list. Nothing detailed, just name, e-mail, and kids.
Let me ask for a current listing of those subscribe first. But I'm
not sure about providing email addresses. Maybe just Name &
Profiles first. If you want to email each other privately, you can
ask them to email you - then you provide your email address.
> About cloth vs
>disposables, do your kids have any problems with diaper rashes with
>using either?
Sarah had rash with using cloth, really. Probably b/c I don't like
mess or leaks so I used diaper covers. Rash went away miraculously
when I changed to disposables. But Sarah did go on to have a
greater tendency for diaper rashes as compared to Daniel. Both the
kids have sensitive skin with tendency to eczema. Daniel doesn't
get it quite so bad, and I like to think it's b/c I bf him. Sarah
ff after 1 mth. I think bf babies have less "acidic" urine & bowel
movements, so less diaper rash.
>> You're lucky about your quick delivery!
I'm happy about the 3 & 2 hrs! Maybe the next time, I'll deliver at
home! ;) My gynae says she'll follow me around the next time.
> About bf &
>working, which pump works best for you? I read good things about the
>PIS, and also about the ISIS (even though it's manual).
I work flexi-hrs, so only use the Medela Mini-Electric. That works
fine for me. I still have a tiny freezer stash. Have not been
pumping since Mid-December. Too tired of it already. I just work
my schedule around my feedings.
Rita & Guek Har & May WAng use the PIS. They're working full-time.
Ask them about their experiences with the pumps!
I also have a small review on pumps available in Singapore on my bf
webpage.
<< When I took a
>bf class, the bf advisor said that she bf for a long time, which was 9
>mo. and I remember thinking, that's actually not so long (but maybe for
>Singapore it is).
If you were around earlier, you'd have read about Doris Fok bf'g her
son until 4.5yrs! She's a certified LC from KKH.
MY Breastfeeding Page :
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5820/breastfeeding.html
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:38:17 +0800
Subject: Episiotomies (Re: new member with questions)
At 01:10 PM 1/7/98 +0800, Jacqueline wrote:
>> Actually, are
>> episiotomies standard procedure in the hospitals here?
>
>For my ob, yes.
>Jacqueline
>check out our web site at
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3608
My gynae says "if you don't need it, I won't do it!". But I suspect she
doesn't really have the patience to wait for me to slooooowly push. So,
there goes! *SNIP!* ;)
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Subject: Re: Outing
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 06:02:45 GMT
Hi,
Wondering when will babies start appreciating where they go?
Will all babies love the zoo or will they cry when they see
unfamiliar creatures? Thought of bringing her there but
later decided to be much later when she starts walking.
I've only brought mine to shopping centres and parks. Got an
outing plan for her on CNY to visit the Istana. Anybody know
which day the grounds are open (both CNY & Hari Raya?).
Also is it worth it to get the family pass or long term
passes? I remember that both Sentosa & the zoo hv such
passes - a fee for unlimited visit per yr.
Yee Ling
Mum to Sheralyn (6 Aug 97)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:24:07 -0500
Subject: Working and pumping - Ouch !
Happy new year to all !
Sorry for not contributing recently. Have gone back to work and
am trying very hard to balance work and family.
After the Christmas week break and returning to working and
pumping, it happened again - those plug ducts, yikes ! It was
only day 1 and I returned home with a painful left breast and day
2 I developed a fever (37.9 C). The doctor sent me home with 2
days MC :-(
I guessed it is right that no pump is as efficient as the baby.
I am nursing the baby as much as possible from the left breast and
now my breasts looked lopsided.
We are doing great and Jun Wei weighs 6.4 kg (!) at his 2 months
checkup. My MIL who visited us during Christmas time did not even
mention about formula supplement (she "complained" over the phone
a few times about baby not getting enough just from bm).
Finally, any tips for preventing those awful plug ducts ?
Guek Har
Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
P.S. I am pleasantly surprise to find 4 pumping moms in the office.
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:17:55 +0800
Subject: Re: Outing
Daniel loved visiting the zoo at 8mos! Earlier, I think he enjoyed too, but
it was not quite as obvious from his expressions. Now he wants to get off
my arms and run like for eg, to see the Polar Bears!
We have a "Friend of the Zoo" Family Pass. It only makes sense since we
stay in Yishun - quite near the zoo. We visit often. But we only got the
family pass b/c Sarah was already past 3yrs old when our last passes
expired. Before that, we survived on a Dual Pass (2 adults) since our
children were below 3yo and get in FREE. One advantage of the Family pass
though is that Grandparents / Maid can substitute for a "missing" adult.
With the Pass, we only take short visits each time. I will "bargain" with
Sarah. Today, only see seals, polar bear, elephants. Or today, only go to
the children's zoo & sit train. It's easier on us & the kids. It's
difficult to have the kids out the WHOLE day at the zoo trying to cover the
whole zoo. I think they (& us too!) don't enjoy it as much.
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & almost 1 yo Daniel
http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:34:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Advice on Herbs Needed
Lai Chang,
I had both cong-cao and dang-gui for my confinement diet. Dang-gui is
suppose to help with blood circulation and since breast milk is called
"white blood", it should help too.
I bought a book titled "Pregnancy and confinement cookbook" by Ng Siong
Mui who is a local. She has a few dishes with cong-cao and dang-gui
too.
Guek Har
Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
Subject: Re: Fw: new member with questions
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 06:37:44 GMT
Hi Flora,
From what I know, nurses from various hospitals are sent to
KKWCH for the lactation course. The nurses are then task to
look for 2~3 moms each to teach them abt bfing. So at least
the hospitals here are pro-bf. Though it might take some
time to get all the nurses to be knowledgeable in bfing.
>>About the breathing exercises, I took an antenatal class where they
>>taught various breathing techniques for different stages of labor
>>(Lamaze), but I don't think it will be too useful for me. I have read
>>the book Natural Childbirth the Bradley Way, where they recommend simple
>>abdominal breathing, which I think is more helpful (and easier to
>>remember at least). I really wanted to take a Bradley class, but I
>>couldn't find any in Singapore, so I settled for the book instead. The
>>relaxation and pushing exercises I learned in the class were good
>>though.
Didn't manage to enrol myself in the classes. However I
guess that it would be very useful to attend since it
teaches you more abt yr pregnancy, labour, exercises, bfing,
food etc (rough content of the KKWCH class). Guess would be
useful to get to know 1 or 2 moms on the same stage of
pregnancy as well.
My DH bought me a book on pregnacy as he sees me so worried
abt delivery and also he got no time to take proper care of
me.
>>Jacqueline, did NUH charge extra for foreigners? If you're PR then
>>ignore the question. That was the reason I switched from government to
>>a private hospital.
I believe they do charge extra for foreigners. In the KKWCH
booklet on charges, they mentioned charging 30% on top of
the charges for class A1 for non-residents.
I would hv preferred a private hospital if not for the
subsidy. In that way, I could hv stuck with the same gynae.
throughout instead of switching to a KKWCH gynae.
>>Yee Ling, it sound like you had an easy labor at only 3 hours! Since
>>you had forceps delivery I assume they did an episiotomy. Actually, are
>>episiotomies standard procedure in the hospitals here?
The midwife tending to me was surprize too. I've dilated 7cm
in 3 hrs (seems that the std is 1cm/hr).
I am not sure whether it's std procedure. Everything happens
so fast, my gynae is swift in his job.
>>Tracey, it's encouraging to hear you delivered your last two without
>>medication. I will also try, but I'll keep my options open. Since your
>>babies were so alert, were you able to bf them right away? I hear it's
>>good for expeling the placenta.
My baby was alert after the delivery. I was told I'm able to
bf immediately but was too tired and hungry. Though I
managed to hold on to her for a short while.
>>Lai Chang, I'll try the J &J diapers, which Yee Ling also recommended, &
>>see how it goes. I also mail ordered a few samples from the US, which
>>are quite nice, but maybe too thick for Singapore. I read somewhere
>>that disposables should be used for the first 3 days or so until the
>>meconium (sp?) goes away. Wow, you're another one in the group with an
>>easy labor! It's quite good you can bf Vivi for so long. When I took a
>>bf class, the bf advisor said that she bf for a long time, which was 9
>>mo. and I remember thinking, that's actually not so long (but maybe for
>>Singapore it is).
I would suggest u only start using cloth diapers after the
1st mth. In the inital mth, we're going thru something like
12 diapers a day - almost a bm every hr. This should give u
enough time to rest (u definitely need the rest for the 1st
mth!) and to monitor her habits.
Am amazed too that Lai Chang can last so long. Guess I'll
take it one step at a time setting incremental targets. Not
easy as Sheralyn now is more interested in her surroundings.
Got to look for a good location. If sitting in the tv room,
she'll suck a while, look at the tv a while, then come back
for more. Got to use my other free hand to block her view.
>>Jocelyn, thanks for the input on Mt. E. Just curious why your first
>>preference is Gleneagles, are the facilities newer there?
Last time I went to Mt. E. seems that they're renovating
some of the rooms to convert them from A2 to A1 class. Seems
that most parents wants the privacy and are willing to pay
for it. Now KKWCH there's no 2 bedders.
Yee Ling
Mum to Sheralyn (6 Aug 97)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:46:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Advice on Herbs Needed
Oh no, not watermelon, it's too cooling in my mother's book. Hey, but
if it did not affect Cyrus, what the heck ...
Guek Har
Mom to Wei Ru (15/8/95) and Jun Wei (10/22/97)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:56:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Eyes
Oops, and I just made a new pair of contact lenses. I stopped using
them when I was pregnant with Wei Ru. Thought I would save the hassle
of looking for my glasses and worrying about Wei Ru breaking them.
Will see how it goes. Maybe I should stop after this pair expires in
a month's time.
Guek Har
Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97) At 11:58 PM 1/4/98 +0800, Sam wrote:
>Just read in a magazine that during pregnancy, our corneas undergo change.
>For those who wear contact lenses, there might be a poor fit.
>
>Prolactin, a pregnancy & breastfeeding hormone that changes the moisture
>level of corneas, make them curve more! So, consider switching to glasses
>until baby is weaned.
>
>This is a rather interesting & revealing fact to me.
>
>I was a contact lens user before Sarah was born. Surprisingly I didn't have
>much problems with contact lens use DURING pregnancy. But after birth, I
>found them uncomfortable since my eyes seemed drier (even though I was using
>weekly disposable lenses which are supposed to be more permeable). Only
>when Sarah was about 8 mths could I comfortably wear contact lenses again
>(even though I bf her only 1 mth). By then, I was so used to the
>convenience of wearing glasses again, I mainly stuck with it!!! Until now.
>
>sam
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:04:25 +0000
Subject: Re: Labour
> Did yr gynae. suggested an early induction? My friend's baby
> was induced early by abt a wk as the baby's getting too big
> (head circumference was 37cm). They got no problem with that
> and in fact choose an auspicious hour for the delivery (like
> the recent interviews of mothers fighting to hv the first 1
> Jan baby).
Kieran was early by one week. I can't imagine giving birth to him one week
later than I did. He'd even be huger then :-)
Rita
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:25:20 +0800
Subject: Re: Fw: new member with questions
Hi!
> I would hv preferred a private hospital if not for the
> subsidy. In that way, I could hv stuck with the same gynae.
> throughout instead of switching to a KKWCH gynae.
Is that true? I'm with NUH and I know that all the patients there stick
with the same ob all the way, unless for special circumstances like when
he/she is on leave.
Jacqueline
check out our web site at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3608
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:33:31 -0500
Subject: RE: new member with questions
Hello Flora,
Welcome to the list and congrats on the pending arrival !
2. I use both cloth and disposables, the cloth diapers are mostly passed
down, so I did not buy any. Not much difference in terms of quality,
they all get the job done ! I think it is too costly, not to mention
not environment friendly, to use disposables since both my kids poop
ever so frequently in the first months.
3. For my first baby, I went through about 6 hours of labour and it was
*very* painful. But I did not use any drugs except for the gas.
Second time round, it was almost painless and baby was out in less
than 2 hours.
4. Mmm I am not sure about the breastfeeding rate in Singapore, anybody
with that figure ?? Most of my colleagues stopped before they
return to work which is usually 8 weeks post partum. But I also know
of a few who express their milk at work.
No I haven't seen anybody bfeed in public before (OK discount those
times when I visit new moms). They must be very good at hiding it I
think. For me, I rarely breastfeed in public, except in the clinic
or in the car. DH is *very* worried about me exposing myself.
Guek Har
Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:38:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Morning Sickness
Sam dear,
I am the lucky one with no morning sickness. But, I was worried like hell
because of it too since I could not feel the baby in the initial months and
I do not feel pregnant. Always waiting for the next gynae visit, no fun
either.
Guek Har
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:48:44 -0500
Subject: PIS pump
Hi Flora,
The PIS is great, I usually pump about 5 oz x 3 sessions. It is fast
and very quiet. But no pump is better than the baby, I am resting at
home now trying to get rid of those plug ducts due to my absence from
my baby.
Guek Har
Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:48:09 +0800
Subject: RE: new member with questions
At 02:33 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Guek Har wrote:
DH is *very* worried about me exposing myself.
>
>Guek Har
>Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
Nick was ok with me bf'g EVERYWHERE! Until....we were to go on a weekend
holiday with his dept. He mentioned that he felt queasy about that. It is
just a little different with people you know, huh?
Anyway, I told him, if the baby's hungry, it HAS to be done! I can't be
hiding in the hotel room the whole time!
The 1st time I bf in front of his colleagues was at the Tanamera Ferry
Terminal. I said "baby's hungry, wants to be feed!". Nick's colleagues were
all gathered & standing in front of me & Daniel. Suddenly they realised
what I was going to do and they looked away. Some discretely went away! ;)
The rest of the trip went fine. Nick never said anything more about bf in
front of his colleagues! In fact, I think his colleagues took it very fine!
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:49:37 +0000
Subject: Re: Morning Sickness
Me too ! Me too ! I'm already almost 17 weeks along but still no movement and
almost no sickness. So worried that I'm bringing my gynae visit forward to
tonight as I can't wait until Saturday.
Another reason for the anxiety, I'll be finding out the sex at the next visit
(tonight hopefully !!)
Rita
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:56:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Outing
We started going to the zoo when Wei Ru is about one and have
since been a "Friend of the Zoo" (one time subscription for a
free full year visit). She still loves the place and never seems
to get tired of going there again and again. As for Sentosa,
I think it is pretty expensive even with the annual pass. Yours
views may vary.
Both my babies love going out, they'd look around but will be
very tired after the trip, much to my relief.
Guek Har
Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
Subject: Re: Labour
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 06:47:21 GMT
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:06 +0000, Rita wrote:
>I had epidural (ok, I'm a chicken as far as pain is concerned). Kieran who was
>almost 4 kg at birth was stuck in the birth canal for close to an hour until he
>was pulled out using forceps. You should have seen the "war marks" on his face
>because of the forceps.
Wow, he is such a huge baby!
Did yr gynae. suggested an early induction? My friend's baby
was induced early by abt a wk as the baby's getting too big
(head circumference was 37cm). They got no problem with that
and in fact choose an auspicious hour for the delivery (like
the recent interviews of mothers fighting to hv the first 1
Jan baby).
I was lucky that Sheralyn only 1 slight mark on her face
near the ear. My DH and MIL commented that her head was
sharp so I was told to "massage" it to make it round.
>As for Kieran, he survived the whole ordeal much better than me. Despite the
>epidural, he wasn't sleepy.
Never heard abt epidural making the baby sleepy. Only abt
mom not being able to feel when it's the time to push (no
pain).
>The bad news for me is that my gynae said that the pph is likely to happen
>again for this second birth.
Is there a reason for the pph? Can something be done to
prevent it?
Hope that u'll hv a smoother delivery this time round.
Yee Ling
Mum to Sheralyn (6 Aug 97)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:40:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Advice on Herbs Needed
And some aunt told me my son's jaundice was caused by "cooling" food
I ate ! (Well I did take some watermelon when I was in my very last
month of pregnancy, against my mom's instruction).
Guek Har
Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
At 09:44 PM 1/2/98 +0800, Lai Chang wrote:
>Christina wrote:
>
>> I was also told
>> by MIL not to eat something heat to the system especially at the third
>> trimester which is not good to the skin of baby(rash or pimples).
>
>And I was told by everyone not to eat anything too "cooling" because the
>baby would become very weak when born. I met a friend whose 3rd baby had a
>persistent cough and phlegm, and her MIL insisted it was because she ate
>too many oranges during pregnancy.
>
>I wonder what we have left to eat.
>
>Lai Chang
>Mommy to Vivi (2.5yo)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:55:15 +0800
Subject: Re: New member with questions
At 06:37 AM 1/7/98 GMT, Flora wrote:
> Since your
>>>babies were so alert, were you able to bf them right away? I hear it's
>>>good for expeling the placenta.
It's important you try to bf your baby right away. Helps "activate" the
suckling reflex which is supposed to be strongest in the 1st hr or so.
The bf-friendly hospitals will ask you to, like at Mt Alvernia where I
delivered #2 - Daniel. At Eastshore where I delivered #1 - Sarah, they took
so long to give baby to me even when I asked to bf her. They kept asking me
to wait - like as if I was such an anxious 1st-time parent. Made us a
little *embarrased*.
And at Eastshore, even though I requested (even had a letter attached to my
admission report) TOTAL bf, when they brought Sarah to me later, I saw on
the feeding chart that they had given her a bottle of FORMULA! And I think
from Jude Constable's remarks earlier (she delivered in ESH too), Eastshore
hasn't improved very much in that respect!
AS for Expelling the Placenta, most Gynae here in Singapore practice
injecting a hormone right after delivery to assist in (almost) immediate
delivery of the afterbirth. Nick wanted to take a pic of it!
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:52:20 +0800
Subject: Plugged Ducts
At 02:48 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Guek Har wrote:
> I am resting at
>home now trying to get rid of those plug ducts due to my absence from
>my baby.
>
>Guek Har
>Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
I hope you're feeling better. If not now, then soon. As for pumping, I've
heard that you can try rotating the pump funnel to empty the breast further.
Sam
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:50:56 +0800
Subject: Re: Outing
At 02:56 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Guek Har wrote:
>Both my babies love going out, they'd look around but will be
>very tired after the trip, much to my relief.
>
>Guek Har
>Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
The "terrible" thing though is that they will sleep in the car on the way
back, but wake up the very moment you take them out of the car!!! ;(
That's Daniel's style. At least with Sarah, there were times when she
continued sleeping even after reaching home.
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Subject: Re: Fw: new member with questions
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:57:29 GMT
>> I would hv preferred a private hospital if not for the
>> subsidy. In that way, I could hv stuck with the same gynae.
>> throughout instead of switching to a KKWCH gynae.
>
>Is that true? I'm with NUH and I know that all the patients there stick
>with the same ob all the way, unless for special circumstances like when
>he/she is on leave.
Maybe should hv make myself clear. When with KKWCH, u stick
to the same ob. unless he's on leave. However not sure abt
those ppl on subsidy (class B2 & C patients). Seems that the
medical officers are tending to them.
For my case, I was seeing a private specialist. It's easier
to get my checkup (can go at nite or weekends) and he did an
ultrasound everytime I went (monthly basis).
When I transferred to KKWCH at the eight mth and requested
for an ultrasound, the ob. told me that there's no need for
it if the ultrasound at 5th mth is ok. Also the ultasound is
done at another department, all the ob. has is just a
machine to check the heartbeat rate. He uses a measuring
tape (the same one my mum uses for tailoring) to measure the
size of the baby.
Booking an appt. with my ob. is tedious. Such a long queue
and only available for 2.5 days per wk.
Yee Ling
Mum to Sheralyn (6 Aug 97
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:21:08 +0800
Subject: Re: Favourite cartoon characters
At 07:05 AM 1/5/98 +0800, Tracey wrote:
>Did u know you can buy Barney video cds from Bedok central at only $10
>each? My dad just bought a couple for my kids the other day.
Where, oh where is this store? I'm interested. Post the name/address if
you can.
Or maybe I should swap with you. Too bad you don't stay next door!
Sam
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:19:44 +0800
Subject: Re: Outing
Just wanted to say that another cheap & good place for an outing is the
Airport! Both Daniel & Sarah had such fun!
They looked at planes, also looked throught the glass windows to see people
walking around inside the "restricted" areas, crawled under the things that
hold telephone books. And they have these spherical things where you can
donate coins. The coins will then circle round & round before dropping into
the bin. The kids really enjoy that! And there's lots of space to RUN!
Also has an indoor playground.
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:25:55 +0800
Subject: Re: Morning Sickness
At 03:49 PM 1/7/98 +0000, Rita wrote:
>Me too ! Me too ! I'm already almost 17 weeks along but still no movement and
>almost no sickness. So worried that I'm bringing my gynae visit forward to
>tonight as I can't wait until Saturday.
Wow! At 16weeks (exactly) I felt Daniel's fluttering movements. That's
about 3 weeks earlier than with Sarah. They say you feel your 2nd baby's
movements earlier.
But other than morning sickness the 1st 4 to 4.5mths, after that, I feel
just GREAT! Except with Daniel I was studying & taking exams from my 6th
month until 9th mth. That, coupled with demanding Sarah. My gynae said at
8mths, I was having just a bit too little amniotic fluid and needed to rest
& relax more. Luckily just 2 weeks after that, fluid levels went back to
normal - after my exams were over! ;)
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Subject: Re: Advice on Herbs Needed
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:47:58 +0800
> And some aunt told me my son's jaundice was caused by "cooling" food
> I ate ! (Well I did take some watermelon when I was in my very last
> month of pregnancy, against my mom's instruction).
>
My mom told me to eat lots of watermelon, so that baby would get rosy
cheeks, Watermelons, carrots and tomatoes.....and hmmm, my babies all were
okay !!! Funny how customs differ with different races huh ?
Tracey
Subject: Barney videos
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:55:05 +0800
My dad said it's one of those shops in Bedok central where the bus
interchange is.
Sure we could swap videos or video cds if you want. Maybe for a time period
of say 1 month?
Tracey
Subject: Re: Outing ( zoo charges )
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:42:49 +0800
Sam
how much does a family pass cost ?
how about a dual pass ?
Thanks
Tracey
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:00:37 +0800
Subject: Re: Outing ( zoo charges )
At 06:42 AM 1/7/98 +0800, you wrote:
>Sam
>how much does a family pass cost ?
>how about a dual pass ?
>Thanks
>Tracey
OK, Tracey...I'll admit it. I'm too lazy to check out the prices. But I
think a Family pass is like $60+. I remember the dual pass is $45/-.
Whatever it is, I remember calculating that what you pay for the pass per
year pays off in just 2 visits.
And.....this is the great part - go to my website at
[http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]. I think you'll find a link to the
Singapore Zoo from a paragraph on Sarah. Probably you can find the charges
on the Zoo's Website! [yikes! passing the buck! ;( ]
Cheers!
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]
Subject: Re: new member with questions
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:59:57 +0800
Flora wrote:
> It's quite good you can bf Vivi for so long.
Actually, the only difficult period for bf'ing is the first 6 weeks. After
that it really gets easier by day. By 3 months, it's much easier to
continue than to try switching a wilful baby to an awful-smelling formula.
I've just continued by default. ;)
The important thing is to keep an open mind on how long to bf, instead of
setting rigid targets. BF really looks very different at 2 weeks and at 2
years!
Lai Chang
Mommy to Vivi (2.5yo)
Subject: Re: Length of Labour (Was: new member with questions)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:58:32 +0800
Guek Har wrote:
> For my first baby, I went through about 6 hours of labour and it was
> *very* painful. But I did not use any drugs except for the gas.
> Second time round, it was almost painless and baby was out in less
> than 2 hours.
Oh my god, is this what to expect? So if I had a 5-hour labour the first
time (and only 3+ hours of it was "real" labour when I started feeling
intense pain)... do I have to rush to hospital the second I feel
contractions start for the next one?
Great god, I may need to rethink about using MAH! Maybe I need to plan for
a homebirth!
Lai Chang
Mommy to Vivi (2.5yo)
Subject: Re: Episiotomies (Re: new member with questions)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:13:47 +0800
Sam wrote:
> Jacqueline wrote:
>
> >> Actually, are
> >> episiotomies standard procedure in the hospitals here?
> >
> >For my ob, yes.
>
> My gynae says "if you don't need it, I won't do it!". But I suspect she
> doesn't really have the patience to wait for me to slooooowly push. So,
> there goes! *SNIP!* ;)
I suspect it's the same for all obs here in Singapore. I specifically
asked my ob not to do an epis, and even wrote it down on paper, but got one
anyway after pushing for about 10 minutes because she said we had to get
baby out fast as its heart rate was dropping with every push. ;( Till this
day, I don't know if that epis was really necessary, but a labouring woman
at the pushing stage isn't likely to argue with her ob, and she probably
knew it.
I'll probably get an epis for this next one too, despite everything. ;(
Lai Chang
Mommy to Vivi (2.5yo)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:18:00 +0800
Subject: Distracted Baby (Re: new member with questions)
At 06:37 AM 1/7/98 GMT, Yee Ling wrote:
===================================================================
>Am amazed too that Lai Chang can last so long. Guess I'll
>take it one step at a time setting incremental targets. Not
>easy as Sheralyn now is more interested in her surroundings.
>Got to look for a good location. If sitting in the tv room,
>she'll suck a while, look at the tv a while, then come back
>for more. Got to use my other free hand to block her view.
>
>Yee Ling
>Mum to Sheralyn (6 Aug 97)
====================================================================
Yee Ling, I hope Sheralyn being more easily distractable doesn't lead you to
think that she might be becoming less interested in bf'g.
I know that some mothers who managed to bf until 4 to 5mos finally quit at
around 5 to 6mos, citing the reason as "baby easily distracted, doesn't want
to bf anymore, so I stop bf'g. It's so sad that baby doesn't need me anymore".
It's a stage babies go through. You'll just need to go to a familiar /
quiet place to nurse. At the age of 5mos, Daniel would nurse if I brought
him to my bedroom & nurse him while sitting on my bed. That's b/c I bf him
there most often. If I went to anywhere else, like the sofa in the
guestroom, he would be so distracted by the "strange" room that he wouldn't
bf at all!
And now, he wouldn't bf if he isn't also hugging his "bear bear" at the same
time - the same one that Sarah is sooo attached to. Luckily I have 3 of
those "bear bear" !!! ;)
sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
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