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EXCERPT FROM ASIA PARENTSТ LIST #5 (Jan 98)

Subject: Re: PIS pump
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:04:02 +0800

Hi, Flora,

PIS works great for me, too.  I have three pumps: Medela's manual pump,
mini-electric and PIS.  Manual ones take time and strength.  I only use it
when I am out or something.  I left my mini-electric at home in case I need
to pump milk from my left side (My daughter simply refuses to latch on on my
left side.  It is inverted.)  Mini-electric is not as comfortable as PIS
because it pulls too hard, and is not as efficient as PIS.

PIS is quiet and comfortable.  I sometimes feel that it gets more milk from
me than my baby does (When she feels full, she just stops).  I think it is
worth every penny.

May


>The PIS is great, I usually pump about 5 oz x 3 sessions.  It is fast
>and very quiet.  But no pump is better than the baby, I am resting at
>home now trying to get rid of those plug ducts due to my absence from
>my baby.
>
>Guek Har
>Mom to Wei Ru (18/5/95) and Jun Wei (22/10/97)
>
>
>At 01:34 PM 1/7/98 +0800, Sam wrote:
>>At 10:47 AM 1/7/98 +0800, Flora Tsai wrote:
>>
>>>  About bf & working, which pump works best for you?  I read good things
>    about the PIS, and also about the ISIS (even though it's manual).
>>
>>   I work flexi-hrs, so only use the Medela Mini-Electric.  That works
>>   fine for me.  I still have a tiny freezer stash.  Have not been
>>   pumping since Mid-December.  Too tired of it already.  I just work
>>   my schedule around my feedings.
>>
>>   Rita & Guek Har & May WAng use the PIS.  They're working full-time.
>>   Ask them about their experiences with the pumps!
>>
>
>

Subject: Re: Distracted Baby (Re: new member with questions)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:44:03 +0800

Sam wrote:

> At 06:37 AM 1/7/98 GMT, Yee Ling wrote:
> 
> >Am amazed too that Lai Chang can last so long. Guess I'll
> >take it one step at a time setting incremental targets. Not
> >easy as Sheralyn now is more interested in her surroundings.
> >Got to look for a good location. If sitting in the tv room,
> >she'll suck a while, look at the tv a while, then come back
> >for more. Got to use my other free hand to block her view.
> 
> It's a stage babies go through.  You'll just need to go to a familiar /
> quiet place to nurse.  At the age of 5mos, Daniel would nurse if I
brought
> him to my bedroom & nurse him while sitting on my bed.  That's b/c I bf
him
> there most often.  If I went to anywhere else, like the sofa in the
> guestroom, he would be so distracted by the "strange" room that he
wouldn't
> bf at all!  

I remember that stage of Vivi.  Because she nursed so often, I refused to
spend that much time in the boring bedroom, so I stayed put in front of the
TV and let her do what she wanted.  Eventually, she figured out she could
watch TV AND nurse, if she turned her head round after latching on.  DH
looked pained when he saw it, but I hardly felt it.  I guess my nipples
were too used to her maltreatment by then to register any pain. ;)

She went through many more stages, but I pretty much took a laissez-faire
attitude to everything.  Maybe that's how she became such an acrobatic
nurser who expected to be able to nurse anytime, anywhere, whatever she
happened to be doing.

Lai Chang
Mommy to Vivi (2.5yo)

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:19:16 +0800
Subject: Member Profiles


Hi, Everyone!

I have Manually compiled a list of our members & their profiles (no email
addresses since I'm not sure if you all want to freely give it out).  Ask me
for it if you want.  I will email it to you.

I've also included the WebPages of our Members -- if they have let me know
of it.

sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:13:17 +0000
Subject: Re: Morning Sickness
> Wow!  At 16weeks (exactly) I felt Daniel's fluttering movements.  That's
> about 3 weeks earlier than with Sarah.  They say you feel your 2nd baby's
> movements earlier.
>
>

Well...I went to the gynae yesterday and everything is right on schedule
(phew)!! I was worried because my colleague who's due the same time as me says
that she can feel the movements for sometime already. The gynae said not to
worry, as I'm more, ahem, "padded" than her, it's only natural that I feel the
movements a bit later. I have more insulations, you see :-)

He thinks (but can't confirm it for sure) that it's a girl !!! YIPEE!

Rita and Kieran (31 Jan 97)

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:08:27 +0800
Subject: Re: Length of Labour (Was: new member with questions)

Hi Guek Har!!

> >  For my first baby, I went through about 6 hours of labour and it was
> >    *very* painful.  But I did not use any drugs except for the gas.
> >    Second time round, it was almost painless and baby was out in less
> >    than 2 hours.

Wow!!  Almost Painless?????  I was induced and gone through 12 hours of
hard labour!!  I got stuck at 5 cm so ended up in a c-section.  The only
hour that I felt great about my labour was when my epidural was in in
place.  I'm really jealous about U!!  :-)


Jacqueline
check out our web site at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3608



Subject: Re: Distracted Baby (Re: new member with questions)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 06:20:36 GMT


>Yee Ling, I hope Sheralyn being more easily distractable doesn't lead you to
>think that she might be becoming less interested in bf'g.  

Luckily for me, lots of ppl in the net hv been warning abt
this stage. Guess I've to be more patience and keep offering
to bf though each session can stretch for hours.

>It's a stage babies go through.  You'll just need to go to a familiar /
>quiet place to nurse.  At the age of 5mos, Daniel would nurse if I brought
>him to my bedroom & nurse him while sitting on my bed.  That's b/c I bf him
>there most often.  If I went to anywhere else, like the sofa in the
>guestroom, he would be so distracted by the "strange" room that he wouldn't
>bf at all!  

She's very easily distracted by the tv. So what I do is
either to turn off the tv and on the radio instead or to
place one hand in front of her eyes though she'll struggle
to find ways to get rid of my hand.

She'll only want to be fed after 9pm on our bedroom with the
air-con on. Else will make a big fuss.

Is there a stage when they'll reduce their amount of milk
feed? Waiting for solids? My aunt just complain that she
refuse to take her 6pm feed and that she seems to be not
gaining weight (maybe face not as plump?). Just told her
might be nursing strike, nothing to be worried abt, just to
prevent her from nagging and nagging. Had a long talk abt
starting solids. Luckily no one at home except my DH is in
flavour of starting her on solids.

Also her bfing at nite takes abt 2 hrs. She'll suck a while
then wants to play and come back for more. Not sure if she's
enough milk but seems to last thru the nite. The early
morning feed was ok and still the usual half hour.

Yee Ling
Mum to Sheralyn (6 Aug 97)



Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:47:09 +0800
Subject: Re: Distracted Baby (Re: new member with questions)


At 09:44 AM 1/8/98 +0800, Lai Chang wrote:

>I remember that stage of Vivi.  Because she nursed so often, I refused to
>spend that much time in the boring bedroom, so I stayed put in front of the
>TV and let her do what she wanted.  Eventually, she figured out she could
>watch TV AND nurse, if she turned her head round after latching on.

Actually I have a TV in my bedroom.  If I get bored, I just have it on on a
low volume.  Daniel will accept that b/c the room is familiar enough to be
"boring" to him and he won't look around as much.  If I bf in the Living
Room, that's difficult.  Very very "Kay Poh".  He'd rather play than bf.  I
do wish he'd bf & watch TV like Vivi!  Tried to "train" him sometime back.
Didn't quite work.  It was either this or that!  ;)  Stubborn boy.

I also read books/magazines while bf'g.  Also clean Daniel's ears, cut his
nails!  My, my,  I think sometimes if he's tired enough, I could even
perform minor surgery on him while bf'g!  ;)

When Daniel was younger, I'd bf & surf the 'net.  That WAS interesting.  But
alas, that stage couldn't last longer!

sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:57:30 +0800
Subject: Re: Distracted Baby (Re: new member with questions)

At 06:20 AM 1/8/98 GMT, Yee Ling wrote:

>Is there a stage when they'll reduce their amount of milk
>feed? Waiting for solids?

Not that I know of / observed!  Daniel still bfs quite as frequently as he
did when he was 4mo and exclusively bf (ie, not taking solids).  Only he
does it much faster, like 10mins instead of 20mins.

Sorry, I have Absolutely NO IDEA how much he drinks, since he bfs directly
these days.  Even previously when I went out, my maid would simply take a
small 4oz bottle of ebm to feed him ("lazy" to feed him more ebm, I think).
That's just to fill his tummy up first until I came home to feed him again!  

Of course if Daniel complained, then she'd just warm another bottle for him.

When I was away on holiday (without baby) in December, I think Daniel drank
like 6 to 7oz each time.


< My aunt just complain that she
>refuse to take her 6pm feed and that she seems to be not
>gaining weight (maybe face not as plump?). 

Maybe Sheralyn's just not hungry?  I know DAniel has bf about every 2 hrs
during the day, but in the late afternoon, he bf at approx 4pm after his nap
and doesn't bf again until 8pm!

He'd rather go to the playground to play at 6pm.  I've been bringing him
since he was 6wks old and now, if 6pm comes by and he's still at home, he
actually fusses, and goes to the door!

>Also her bfing at nite takes abt 2 hrs. She'll suck a while
>then wants to play and come back for more. Not sure if she's
>enough milk but seems to last thru the nite. The early
>morning feed was ok and still the usual half hour.

Daniel does (or rather DID, patterns come & go!) about the same thing.
Evening feed is a "marathon feed".  I think it's to stock up for the night.

sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel
Visit Our Family's WebPage [http://members.tripod.com/~TheChengs]

Subject: RE: Episiotomies (Re: new member with questions)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:26:22 +0800

OUCH! I'm hoping to avoid one if possible, but depends on the OB I
suppose.  I read that the pushing position help give some extra cm for
the baby to come out.  This is either squatting or semi-reclined with
knees bent back.  Other positions like lying down with stirrups or on
the side don't help too much unless the baby is still high up.  Just
curious what position you used for pushing.  

Lai Chang, did you write a birth plan before birth?  If so, did it help
at all?  My doctor says he will go over my birth plan at the 34 wk appt,
but not sure how much it helps.  

Flora
due Feb 98
---------------------------------------

Subject: Fw: Distracted Baby (Re: new member with questions)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:46:50 +0800


Just curious when bf babies will actually be able to sleep the whole night
thru or at most with one feed.

rgds,
Jocelyn  (mum to 8 wk old Gabriel)

Subject: RE: PIS pump
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:53:02 +0800


At 03:53 PM 1/8/98 +0800, you wrote:
>Sam, Guek Har & May: thanks for the input on pumps.  The PIS sounds
>good, although it is quite expensive.  So noone has tried the ISIS? 
>Actually my questions are probably premature since I won't be returning
>to work for a while.
>
>Guek Har: hope your plug ducts goes away soon!
>
>Flora
>due Feb 98

Actually I remember Jude (used to be on this list) mentioning that she used
AVENT ISIS and that it was good.  But then, she doesn't work!

I've heard that the ISIS is AS GOOD AS the PIS.  Only setback is that it
doesn't double-pump.  Double-pumping apparently increases prolactin levels
thus you produce more milk.  Of course, double-pumping also saves time since
you can pump both breasts at the SAME TIME!

So, it also depends on how much time you have for pumping at work.   I think
the PIS would still do it faster than the ISIS (one breast at one time).
How long does it take you all - May, Guek Har, Rita?

I think it's be good to have the ISIS for when you want to do "pump & nurse"
at the same time.  That is, for eg. at the 1st morning feed when there's
lots of milk, you can bf one side & pump the other side.  That's possible
b/c the ISIS is a One-Handed pump.  I used to do that, but that was before
the ISIS was out. I used a PUR one-handed pump then.

The ISIS would probably be a good pump to have around in case of "blackout"!


sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel

Subject: KKWCH (RE: Fw: new member with questions)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:25 +0800


That's strange about KK refusing to an ultrasound at 8 mo.  When I was
there my OB told me they usually do a 3rd one about 7-8 mo, or 32 wks. 
Anyway, maybe it's better not to do so many unless there are any
problems.  I agree about the lines being too long at KK (and probably
other govt hospitals).  Sometimes I would wait over an hour for my appt
(if I cannot get an early morning appt), then at least another 1/2 hour
to schedule the next appt and pay the bill.  In the private clinic I go
to now, there is usually not much wait.  As for foreigner surcharge, I
did not pay 30% extra for the consultations, but for delivery the cost
for foreigners is almost double!  A friend of mine who went there said
she booked an A1 room months in advance, but she was put in a B4 room
because there were no other beds available at the time.

Flora
due Feb 98
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:39:26 +0000
Subject: Re: PIS pump


Before I bought PIS, I used to use mini electric from Medela. I used two at work
(imagine the racket I was making). But it was excellent for feed 'n pump.

PIS is good. I can collect about 5oz in 10-15 minutes. Mini Electric is much better
for travelling though. I do have a soft spot for it as I've been using it longer 
than PIS.

Rita

-- 
**----------------------------------------------------**

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:20:55 +0800
Subject: Re: PIS pumpAt 06:39 PM 1/8/98 +0000, you wrote:

>Before I bought PIS, I used to use mini electric from Medela. I used two at
work (imagine the racket I was making).

Hee!  I was also using 2!  To save time.

sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:19:50 +0800
Subject: Re: KKWCH (RE: Fw: new member with questions)

At 05:47 PM 1/8/98 +0800, you wrote:
A friend of mine who went there said
>she booked an A1 room months in advance, but she was put in a B4 room
>because there were no other beds available at the time.
>
>Flora
>due Feb 98

Flora, this happens even in Private Hospitals.  If it so happens that soooo
many mothers delivered those few days and ALL of them had prebooked A1
rooms, then there simply won't be any available for you!  ;)

It happened when I delivered Sarah at Eastshore.  I booked a 2-bedded, but
there was none available that day, so I went to a 4-bedded.  They promised
to shift me when one was available.  But by then, I couldn't be bothered to
move!  Such a hassle!  Afterall, only staying a few days, right?

sam
mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11.5mo Daniel


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